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Hi All,
I recently saw some Indian dancers performing at a festival and I was wondering what the red dye on the fingers is made out of?
I am a belly dancer that is beginning to fuse Indian/Hindu dancing with Belly dance and would like to add the dye on my fingers as it looks beautiful when performing.
Any tips?
I recently saw some Indian dancers performing at a festival and I was wondering what the red dye on the fingers is made out of?
I am a belly dancer that is beginning to fuse Indian/Hindu dancing with Belly dance and would like to add the dye on my fingers as it looks beautiful when performing.
Any tips?
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Re: Red Fingers
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 8:31 AMit is also on the feet. and it is called alta. it is an auspicious marking. most deities are also ornamented with alta it used to made with sindhur / kunkuma (vermillion) but now is made with theatrical make-up. also the sun and the moon on the inside of ur palms :) -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 8:44 AMCool! Do you have a lead on where to get sindhur/kunkuma shipped to the states? I'd love to try a more historic mix of ingredients! -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 9:24 AMu can get it at most indian grocery stores. as hindu women also mark their part of the hair with sindhur to show their shaubhagya (wedded bliss). if u dont find it at indian stores, u can order it from krishnaculture.com or krsna.com either one will have for sure as all our married ladies wear it :)
and it wouldnt have been henna originally. that came later. sindhur is a powerful dye that contains mercury (eeek) and thats y u will see many women with very large middle parts cuz the sindhur has removed the hair progressively. -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 12:50 PMHmm.... I tried both places, doing both a search on "sindhur" and browsing clothing and health and beauty sections. I also did a quick browse through the devotional sections just in case. krsna.com seems to have bindis and tilaks, but not sindhur. I can't even find a section of the krishnaculture.com site that comes close. Am I missing something?
I have the red powder typically used for bindis and forehead markings from a local grocery. But I can't figure out how one would get a powder like that to stick to one's hands long enough for dancing. Particularly given the amount of sweating and hand movement that occurs during Indian dance. Does one mix it with something to get it to stick to hands and feet? -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 8:37 PMya its mixed with water. and then u let it dry. it works. but it does leave stains. we (well the girls) dont even use it. they use this theatrical make-up paint. ill have to find out what brand....
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Re: Red Fingers
Sat, May 20, 2006 - 9:49 AMHi Lakshmi,
I think you shouldnt use kumkum/sindhur powder for your fingers....
it will spoil everything. If you dont find altha in your shop try to use professional red theatre make up... no one in India uses kumkum for the fingers!
by the way: even altha runs of in a performance, when you sweat. :-)
love
Gauri
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Sat, May 20, 2006 - 2:50 PMi agree with gauri tho. it does spoil everything. even our costumes have some stains! i hate that. the best is the theatrical make-up. its stays better than altha.
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Re: Red Fingers
Fri, May 19, 2006 - 8:42 AMMy teacher uses red markers. Between her students, we did a survey and decided we like Mr. Sketch brand the best (the ones that smell like fruit). It doesn't seem to bleed as much and is non-toxic. I find that I need to go wash it off right away, because every marker I've used has tended to leave red prints on anything and everything I touch if my hands are the least bit sweaty.
I asked my teacher what they use in India, and she told me that the dye from India bleeds even more than red magic marker. I confirmed this - I had a friend bring some back with her and the results were a light color that transferred to everything I touched.
Some sources have said the color comes from henna. But I've talked to some fairly experienced henna artists that do a lot of color experimentation, and they can't find a way to make henna that red on human skin. The best guess I've heard for historical dyes is lac dye, a bug-based dye that is a fairly potent red. Some medieval artwork books refer to lac dye jars, or women applying lac dye to their hands. Lac dye will certainly make that color. Just not sure how skin safe or permanent it is. -
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 2:15 PMYep. I've been "Mr. Sketch'ed" by my Kuchipudi teacher as well. I think it's a common thing :)
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Wed, May 24, 2006 - 1:16 PMI'll have to try out the Mr. Sketch markers. I've colored my fingers with sharpies just before going on stage and then had trouble getting it off afterward. I don't mind stained fingers, but I don't want a stained costume. Last time I performed I only put the suns on my hands so I could still use my fingers.
I love the way the red finger tips look. I just wish there was a less messy way to achieve it.
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Fri, May 19, 2006 - 8:43 AM> would like to add the dye on my fingers as it looks beautiful when performing.
The dye is to aid the audience in viewing the different hand gestures used in Indian classical dance. The gestures are very exact and make up a poetic sign language that helps in the storytelling aspect. There is a large shared vocabulary used by all of the classical forms of India-- though each form could be said to have its own dialect.
So while the red fingers look beautiful, their purpase is communicative-- so that audiences have no problem reading the most subtle gestures.
